10.10.2007

Answer to the Shadow

Instead of doing the whole copy and paste thing, I hope people read your comment.

You say we are there to promote American Interest, which in my opinion is completely true. What else would we be there for? I mean, they haven't attacked our freedoms yet, I don't think that they want to attack our power to sit around and do nothing *I am a master at this* anyways, you say Democracies don't fight each other. Actually no. We can actually look at the Revolution. We as a country, chose to fight back the British. We voted on levies that would allow men to sign up to fight. The British had to vote on whether to even attack the Colonies, yes the king had power, but the real power was behind Parliament. This occurred about 232 years ago. Any reason why it wouldn't happen now? Don't think so. But, you are completely right about the oil. What's funny is that America originally found the oil because we were digging up water wells in the middle east to help out the situation over there, ironic on how we have to barge in there to get it back.

Sure we like Democracy because we think it's a good thing, but we don't start wars over that. We star t wars to protect American interests.

What American interests...? There may be some who wanted revenge over 9/11 ok, but it's been seven years, and people are starting to accept the fact that it occurred, and now we want to pull out. The only reason why we can't just magically pull our forces back is because we are too far in Iraq's government itself, and if we pulled out now, chaos would ensue. One major problem I have is that we feel the need to tell others how to run their countries. Sure, they had a dictatorship that caused deaths, but don't we also have hundreds *may be exaggerating here* of murders in our own country? We had two boys run in a school and kill teachers and children. A college student went on a shooting rampage in VT. We have problems too, but some people think that we are perfect and we need to tell others on how to run countries.

But what if Iraq had succeeded... and Bush brought peace to the middle east.

I'm sorry, but I can not agree there. For years the Sunni and the Shi'a *hoped I spelled that right* have been fighting. I don't think America's intervention would cause the fighting to cease. Only two ways this would stop. 1. Mohammad *THE Mohammad* came back to tell them to advocate peace. 2. America dictated on how the people acted. Two simple, yet insane, ways.

Nice comments Shadow, thanks for the feedback :D I'll post more later on.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

"They haven't attacked our freedoms yet."

Bush Doctrine implies pre-emptive action, to stop something before it happens. Yes, there were major intelligence problems justifying invading Iraq. But when faced with the same evidence and advice, can you say you wouldn't have done the same thing?

If Bush chose not to invade Iraq, and they did have WMDs, he would go down in history as someone who had a chance to prevent a catastrophe and chose not to. I would choose having the lowest popularity polls in history over being partly responsible for the death of millions.

Anonymous said...

America is the best country in the world. Hell yes. Being the best in virtually everything, do we have a responsibility to "police" the world? If we don't, who else would? Who else has the capabilities? If you could prevent children dying in Africa, petty wars, genocide, and oppression, wouldn't you?

Last time we had an isolationism policy, Pearl Harbor was attacked.

Anonymous said...

Traditionally democracy's don't fight each other is what I said. I don't consider the American government during the Revolutionary war a true Democracy; it was Democracy in it's infancy.

Anyways, this doesn't mean Democracy's never fight each other... they do (see: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm)
. The point is that this is a reason America went into Iraq, it is a popular political theory and there is a lot of evidence thats shows democracies are much less likely to attach each other than other forms of government. I didn't say that the reason was valid, more that it was a reason.

What American Interests? Well, that is why there is debate over Iraq. Are there still American interests in Iraq? Or course. Do they out way the costs of continuing ot fight a way... that's a tricky one and depends how you look at the data and how you value the costs. In short subjective.

We didn't go in there to really end a dictatorship. I mean, that is a reason that is given, and sure it was "a" reason but it wasn't one of the prime reasons, there are many dictatorships around the world that we look past because they support American interests or are not worth the cost to end.

As for Iraq succeeding, it is possible, unlikely yes, but it was a hypothetical question... because obviously when we invaded 90% of Congress and America thought we would succeed nearly perfectly. I mean we are America, and they are Iraq.

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